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As we have a gentleman in the studio that you'll be meeting in a few minutes, who is

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one of the world's outstanding authorities on unidentified flying objects, sometimes

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known as flying saucers. And he has brought us some of the most amazing film that you

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or I will ever have the privilege of seeing about the so-called flying saucers.

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Mr. Dapsky, we welcome you to the program this evening.

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I'm glad to be here, Mr. Watts.

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We've heard so much about you and so many times that you've been referred to by other people

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who've talked about flying saucers and we considered a real privilege to have you as a guest on the program tonight.

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Well, thank you very much.

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And it's nice also to welcome back our good friend Carol, honey.

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Hello Carol, how are you?

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How are you?

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Of course, we're indebted to Carol for making the arrangements.

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It brought Mr. Dapsky here with us this evening.

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Carol, of course, is with one of the local aviation firms, an aeronautical engineer and a man who started out

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not believing too much in flying saucers, right Carol?

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Well, originally I was pretty skeptical.

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But I think you're a more convinced man these days.

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Well, you can't help but be convinced after seeing a few...

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Mr. Dapsky, let's, since our audience knows Carol, he's been on the program here a couple of times.

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Let's talk about you a little bit.

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Where did this interest in flying saucers first generate?

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Well, you see, I've studied astronomy, sort of amateur astronomer from 30s on.

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And of course, when this thing happened, especially in 47, Canada, and all over Monterey and Yale, you know,

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as then all spread throughout the nation and I became interested,

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yet still I was without a goal whether there would be anything like that coming our way at all.

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And of course, we live so close to the big observatory, 200 inch telescope,

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when people come in and go in there through that place all the time, scientists and everybody else.

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So one of the military branches was going up there,

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and I guess what they're going to do is ask them to see what they could do about it

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in a way of finding out whether these things were real or not.

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And having a small telescope, professional one six inch,

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they stopped at the place Ms. Wells owned the property at the time, the cafe.

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And they stopped at this place and they asked me on whose property I had this telescope,

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whether I would use it because a small telescope can be used like a gun on ducts, you know,

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where a big telescope is really hard.

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Can't aim it fast enough.

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That's right. So they asked me if I would spot and I said I would.

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No, no reward of any kind was said and if I did get anything to send it to their lab down in Point Loma,

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which I have done after I caught a couple of pictures and I caught them against the moon.

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And still I was in doubt myself.

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I had to really go on until about nearly 51 and 52 when I really got a real,

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you may say, conviction when I met the people down there out the desert,

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which was an accident, total accident.

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I didn't expect that I had gone out to the desert with a telescope portable and in order to get some pictures

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because that time they were saying there were a lot of ships landing and moving through that territory.

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And that's just the way it got started.

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And once that happened, of course, I was convinced and that's it.

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I see. Now you are a firm believer that there are unidentified flying objects.

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Absolutely. They are there. And what I have done so far, whether it's believed or not,

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I know people will be always that way.

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Some will believe it. Some will not.

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What I know to be the truth is the truth and I'll take that to my grave with me.

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Well, I think that's a very firm and a well-stated conviction, Mr. Radansky.

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I know Carol Honey shares your convictions also.

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I thought it might be an idea since you brought this amazing film and everything moves rather fast.

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Obviously when you're tracking things that are capable of flights of a thousand miles an hour and such as that.

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Why don't we run the film one time and you explain it and then we will chat about it a little bit.

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Then later in the program we'll run the film over again and this way the people who are watching tonight

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will have a better opportunity to see what's happening.

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I think that's very good.

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All right. Well, suppose we start the film through for the first time now, Mr. Radansky.

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And you explain right over here. You can see it on the monitor what they're seeing.

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Now this is taken at Palomar Terraces. That's where we live.

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And you see the spot there.

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The White Onjit, yes.

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That White Onjit. That's daytime picture.

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And of course it's taken with a camera. I didn't know too much about it.

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So naturally amateur is an amateur.

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But I think it got pretty good picture for an amateur.

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And the trees as you see is out of focus as I try to focus on the thing itself.

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Not knowing the distance naturally I couldn't get an exact focus.

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And there's the B-52 coming up under two discs.

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I saw something glistening but I thought it was a B-52 above them.

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As I was photographing this one with a 16 millimeter keystone camera.

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And then when it was developed I couldn't believe my own eyes that these discs were up there.

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And I figured that that was about 35,000 feet up the jet is.

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And if you watch it carefully you'll notice there's a black speck headed this trail,

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which is the jet itself.

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And these things are moving at some time in the afternoon.

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They're all to place in 40, 60 pictures there.

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Oh I see.

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Now where's the object here?

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Well there it is coming from the top.

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Like when I was getting in there.

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And this is in Chepala, Lake Chepala in Mexico.

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See that's the roof of the building and on whose porch I was taking a picture of that

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at the time when I spotted it.

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See, and then following it and getting to miss it here and there and that,

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catch it every now and then.

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It was moving around and there was quite a bit of clouds and the sky in the background.

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And this was going on to San Blas in Mexico there on the way back from Chepala.

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And I was photographing the highway and I saw something but I couldn't tell what it was.

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I know what was there after.

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See there's a ship in there.

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The right corner?

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Yeah, it's just right above the brush there.

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Right, you see.

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The light that is controlling the ship when it comes down there,

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it doesn't show up too good on there but there's a dark line there.

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It's redder than the other or darker.

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When you see that light moving you'll see the ship move too from that brush.

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See how far it moved?

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That's the ship itself.

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You stopped action here so we can see it.

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So had I known that the ship was there, I probably would have got a better picture

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but I didn't know it was there.

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I saw it was there.

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I was focusing on that but not on the ship.

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and there's a dark outline of the bell shaped ship.

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That's right, behind the trees.

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And this in here, this is a beautiful color cloud I was photographing when I caught this one.

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Now here you have another white object here on the right hand corner.

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There it is.

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This is a terrace, this again.

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This is back at your home.

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See this thing coming in there?

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I photographed at 16 frames when I shot a photograph at 24 anyway.

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fairly dark, I spot those, that will come up later on in the back, which is a beautiful

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picture, I think most beautiful of them all.

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Three of them together moving.

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Now this one here and there is another one, something like this.

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If the people will watch, that will come forward, very brilliant, and then fade out.

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And that's the way people see them and then don't see them.

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It's really a good picture to show how they do fade out when they back up or go into outer

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space and finally vanish out of sight.

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He's repeating this thing again.

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This is a jet and they do bright objects up there.

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And there's two of them moving right there.

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The other power line there, that didn't show up too good on that one.

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And these are coming over the power line.

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These are my regular lines through the house.

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Oh, I see.

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You're changing this right from your own.

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They seem to maintain a relationship to each other.

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They all put it close together and run formation very closely.

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Oh, here it comes.

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This is the top of the picture.

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But that B-52 coming up underneath it was the most amazing part of it.

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Oh, there's repeating that Chipala, Lake Chipala again.

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I guess I guess.

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They've had a number of them seen in Mexico.

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They landed on Lake Chipala one night there and really unloaded and went across.

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Did they float on the surface of the lake or did they float on like any boat?

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They float right on the lake there.

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That was while we were there.

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There was a celebration going on at the Lady of the Lord, you know.

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People were all in there.

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Two ships landed that night.

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Did people emerge from them?

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And I understand they weren't even into one of the temples and talked to people there.

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Now this again is this road to San Blas, is that right?

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I was really photographing the highway because it's a beautiful color, high scenery.

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A beautiful color picture and marvelous.

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So I was photographing that mostly.

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Now where is the light to look for?

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What part of the picture here?

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Well, it's moving back and forth.

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It's pretty hard.

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That's a banana plantation right there, right on a curve.

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There's a belt sheet back lining.

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There's a belt.

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You can see it moving back and forth.

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Then you will notice that as the ship moves, so does this light over the banana plantation

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moves equal distance.

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Now this is an object right there.

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This is where we are at our place again, object right in that corner there.

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This taken at night.

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Oh, this is the night scene, yes.

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Those two stood together and I took it at night.

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That one there for real pitch dark night.

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It was bigger than that, but they showed up too big on the film.

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Well, they wouldn't know.

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What would you estimate their size was?

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Well, I would say they were about a hundred feet or more in the air.

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I saw them with my naked eye.

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Now this is a beautiful picture coming in here that people want.

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There's one went by, there'll be three coming by later on.

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This is the one that I'm talking about.

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See how bright it is?

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It'll go back and it'll fade out.

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That's where people see them and then don't see them.

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They vanish.

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And they call them some time materialization, dematerialization.

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They don't do it except they back up so far that you can't see them no more.

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Oh, I see.

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It's fading now, isn't it?

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It's fading right out.

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You would say then this is leaving the area a tremendous fade, isn't it?

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That's a tremendous fade.

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Now here's the three in there, beautiful.

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And there'll be another one following that.

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The best picture, I think, is up at the top of the picture.

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Up at the top of the picture.

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Right there, see?

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Is this nighttime?

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Yeah, this is the daytime picture.

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Right at the sunset.

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And it was taken right off my property towards you.

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Looking from that picture, it was taken towards the ocean from like this.

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Oh, yes.

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Now, this is a daytime picture.

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Yeah, this is a daytime picture, this one here.

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And this seems to be more hovering.

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It doesn't seem to move like this.

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Yes, it's not moving quite as fast.

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Some of them sometimes just hover now.

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I think those first ones there, they're sort of hovered.

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See?

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It's really marvelous.

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It's not the best.

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I like to get something better yet.

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We all those are that way.

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You did very well.

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And I wanted to just point out that we're going to repeat the film a little bit later on in the program.

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Some of the things that convinced you there were actually flying saucer.

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Well, this definitely did.

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And I'm sure that the picture where the jet is involved, that if the jet had a camera,

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and I think most of them do, he must have got an awfully good picture, much better than I did.

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Do you think he was pursuing those saucer objects?

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Well, then I don't know, although they do chase him a lot.

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Now, Mr. Adamski, what is your theory about where these ships have come from?

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Do you think they're from some other planet?

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Well, definitely.

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The ones that I've contacted, I can't speak for others, but the ones I've contacted are from Venus,

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and I have them from Mars and Saturn.

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Although I have information since almost the whole world is writing to me in a way,

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and I'm just snowed under with mail.

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I got reports where other planets have also been contacted of our own system, but none of another system.

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When you say you've had a contact, and you mean you've actually talked to people who have written on these ships?

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That's right. Just like you and I are talking here.

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Do they appear to be the same type of human being as we are, would you say?

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Yes, they are, and I would like to make a statement here right now, and we all breathe in the Supreme Being,

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and I believe we credit ourselves to be the image of Him,

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and I think He'd have the image pretty much the same throughout the cosmos.

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Well, I think that's a very good thought, Mr. Damsky.

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Some people have, I believe, sort of tried to capitalize on this,

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flying saucers and using it as a religious motif. How do you feel about that?

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Well, you see, I have nothing against no contact of any kind.

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I'm not in position to judge them one way or the other,

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but I do not like the idea that they make a religion out of this thing.

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It's a very interesting thing amongst the world, and it's more or less a scientific approach at that.

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Uh-huh. I see. Now, do you notice that you've talked to people who you say have come in from Venus and from Mars?

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That's correct. That's correct.

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Do you notice a difference in their feelings or their thoughts?

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Oh, yes, I do. They can read your mind all too fast.

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In fact, we'd be an awful mess if they were among us all the time.

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We'd have to do some straight thinking, but they're very kind, they're very humble sort of people,

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in other words, just like anybody, that once they have evolved to a fairly good standard of human expression,

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they become kinder, you know. It's only easy people that don't understand the duty fight for a lot of things.

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Once you understand, you begin to get along with people very nicely.

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Well, do you think that they consider us savages or...?

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No, they don't. I want to make a statement right here.

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We're not the poorest planet. There probably could be planets in other systems probably below us.

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We're pretty well up there, and it wouldn't take us long to catch up.

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Once we have actually realized that we have a job to do and can go forward,

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we, after all, science tellers, we're about 10% in operation on our mental side.

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I hear that.

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We have 90% to develop. Look what could happen when we're done with 10%.

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That's right. We've done pretty well. We're running at 10% of full power.

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Sure.

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I want to just direct a question over to Carol, a honey over here.

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Carol, you've seen the film, of course, before.

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Yes, I have.

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Was this one of the things that helped convince you of the validity of the claims for flying saucers?

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Well, I was convinced before that they were interplanetary,

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but this is a thing that got me interested in Georgia-Damsky to start out with.

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Well, now, Carol, have you ever had a contact?

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I believe you told me, if I recall, you have not had a factual contact.

321
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No, I haven't.

322
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You have made sightings, though.

323
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I have sightings, yes.

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Have you ever been here before you came down here from Seattle?

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No, I went up to the desert many weekends and sat around looking,

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but all of my sightings were in the Seattle area.

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I see.

328
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Well, now, maybe I'm missing a point here.

329
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You know Mr. Radamsky, it was so much better than I.

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Is there some question you would like to have him answer or something you think he should bring out here?

331
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Well, I think he's brought out pretty good that these people are exactly like us,

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that there's nothing mystical about them.

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They don't materialize, deep materialize,

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or they're not giving messages through trances and various things like this,

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that they're perfectly physical just like us.

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That's the real important thing, is for people to realize that they are down-to-earth human beings just like us.

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No different except farther advanced scientifically.

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Well, that's it, Mr. Radamsky.

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Any thoughts on how long it will be before we might have interplanetary travel on our own?

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I will say that we'll be going out there probably in the next couple of years,

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if everything stays well and we do not tangle up in the major world and might set us back.

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And I will say here right now, surely we're not going to go out there flying around the planet and come back.

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If there's any chance of taller, if any human's ever so low,

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we will try to land and contact them to find out exactly what's on the planet

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and naturally these people coming our way are doing the same thing.

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That would be my thought. I would be very curious and want to meet these people.

347
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That's why I wonder that we don't have more contacts from these people from other planets.

348
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We do have, as I stated, we have about 2,500 contacts according to my information.

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And I know of two definite ones, good ones, in Mexico,

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which I have interviewed the people that had it at the time for the Mexican government.

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And they asked me and I interviewed it and really they have proven up their points.

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But the trouble is so few people believe in contact.

353
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They believe in sightings of our friends and they've been battling me pretty well.

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In other words, they can I kept with battling me a little bit and others.

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Yet I get a membership card at cost of $7.5 from them all to get the free of charge this week.

356
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I can understand what's the mystery.

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From the National Investigating Committee for Aerial Phenomenon.

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They've made you an honorary member and still they argue with you about your claim.

359
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Yeah, that's right. Here it is.

360
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I got it last week. I was so surprised.

361
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You sure did. He's a member.

362
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And you're standing. But you're fighting with him.

363
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What's the name we roll the film again, Mr. Damsky?

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Take another look at it here and then we'll have a few minutes to chat.

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And then I've got a good friend of mine's back here to visit us.

366
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So here comes again. If you want to just explain what we're seeing now,

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some of the people may not have seen it the first time we ran it.

368
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That's over my property.

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This is our property where I'm living right now and they're taking it at a time in the afternoon.

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This is their Mont Palomar.

371
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Yes, and it's a daytime picture.

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And the trees are out of focus a little bit because I want to focus on the object itself, which was not easy to do.

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Do you have a theory on how fast this is traveling?

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Well, that thing was moving pretty fast there.

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I had to move that camera and go around with the camera steady and I didn't know where it's going to go to.

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This one here again is a B-52.

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Come on up against those two big large discs.

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Notice the trail is about 200 feet wide and notice how big the discs are.

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Yet I didn't see the disc. As you see them on the film, I saw the listening light up there

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and I thought there was another jet above this one as I was photographing on developing the film.

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That's what showed up.

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Do you think that this B-52 was out to investigate these glowing discs?

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Well, I wouldn't be surprised.

384
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They may have been investigating at that time because they do investigate them.

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They chase them right along.

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Here's two more coming in. Here also daytime, which is another time.

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They were not taken at the same time. They were taken at different times through the year.

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How long a period of time did they take in the night?

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Well, this is about a year and a half accumulation.

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This is Lake Chipala, which is 30 miles to the side of Guadalajara.

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That portion of the roof that is seen and all of that, there was the property we lived on.

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Now, this fuzzy effect, is that because you couldn't focus properly or do you think glowing light did that?

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Well, I would say glowing light may have something to do and then I couldn't get a perfect focus like to do on a standing up.

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And this is on the Rota Sand Bloss.

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I was photographing the highways of the beautiful palm trees of all kinds.

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It is a colored film. This one is. Of course, down here it doesn't show that way.

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And then I saw something there. This white thing.

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It landed over the banana plantation and I didn't realize that there was a ship controlling it.

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And as you see right through the center, right in the center of the trees,

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there you see a dark outline curvature there.

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And you see that when it moves, it will move away from that brush quite a ways and the light will move.

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There it goes.

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It will move.

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You'll see it again. See it?

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It came in and that moved up where that is now covered with it.

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It will move over again and when it does, you'll see how far it will move over from the brush

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and the light will move it equally.

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It shows that it's controlled.

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And above it right there at this, in line with the light, there's another small light there,

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which just shows that's where the radius is coming from controlling that one.

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I think this light was directed toward you in the car then?

412
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Yes.

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What's this now?

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It's in here. I was taking colored clouds like you see sometimes when summer's set and all that.

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And I didn't see that one coming in there at all. It just caught.

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That's all.

417
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Now here's one up at the top of the picture here.

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That's been over our property here.

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Again, the trees are out of focus.

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You try to focus on the other and you ignore everything else.

421
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So then something's going to be out of focus all the time.

422
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You set your camera to infinity.

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That's like infinity always.

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And you see your light adjustment.

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You can adjust your light exactly and so forth.

426
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So you just stop again so that way you're taking a chance.

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That's all.

428
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Actually, that's all.

429
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The way this moves around is probably because you're holding the camera.

430
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You can't hold the camera steady.

431
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That's steady.

432
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Not that the saucer...

433
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That's caused mostly by the uncertainty of the camera.

434
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Yeah.

435
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A little bit, see?

436
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That's right.

437
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Now we're looking through it over here.

438
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There it is again.

439
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Is this the same one we saw a few moments ago?

440
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Well, when they come in for a glance,

441
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where do they still glow as brilliantly as they do?

442
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They glow.

443
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In fact, I was told that one landed and they had it in the shed.

444
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That's a few years back.

445
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And in this dark room, it would glow anyway.

446
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This is the same B-52.

447
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That's the one feeding the picture now.

448
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And this is a big one coming in there.

449
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And it's a parallel line.

450
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That's why it showed up the way it did.

451
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While this is an insulated line, it's both a parallel line.

452
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Oh, yes.

453
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Yeah, they're power lines.

454
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I see.

455
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They're making it glowing.

456
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You know, I told you before the show that we had a saucer in the making, you know.

457
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You said somebody was building a flying saucer.

458
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Yeah.

459
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And that thing glows after shot off.

460
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It does.

461
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This is from the light propulsion theory.

462
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That's right.

463
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It's saturated with that force, see?

464
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And it glows.

465
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We call that a field force.

466
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I see.

467
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Is this photons that they're using?

468
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They sometimes refer to light propulsion by photons.

469
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Yeah.

470
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And that produces radiation, which is known as a field force to most people.

471
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Is the radiation harmful?

472
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No, it's not harmful.

473
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I have come in contact with it and then bother me.

474
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Uh-huh.

475
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Of course, I might bother somebody else.

476
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I don't know.

477
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They didn't bother me.

478
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You feel fine.

479
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And this is over at Chipala, again, Lake Chipala.

480
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,000
Yes.

481
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:50,000
They're seeing some of these scenes repeated.

482
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:51,000
That's right.

483
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:54,000
So everybody have a good look here and really get a hang of it.

484
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,000
These are amazing films.

485
00:21:56,000 --> 00:22:00,000
And every time I try to get a good picture of it while photographing, there, see?

486
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,000
I catch the roof, you go over the roof, and then I couldn't see it no more.

487
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,000
They lay forward and they come back and I try to get some more.

488
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:08,000
Do you think they're conscious?

489
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000
Well, yeah, they're very much alerted.

490
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:13,000
In other words, they're flying along and you are observing them.

491
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,000
They would be conscious if you were.

492
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:16,000
That's right.

493
00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:19,000
The only thing they are not conscious enough to be satisfied with me, they like it.

494
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,000
I like to have them stop right there and they don't take a picture of them like I do.

495
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,000
Yes.

496
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000
Yeah, there was some time I wish for that and it never happens.

497
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,000
Now, this is the San Blas Road, again.

498
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,000
That's right, San Blas.

499
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,000
And if we watch that picture in repeating now, we look towards the center of the screen right there,

500
00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,000
above the brush, you see a dark spot curvature there and you see the light.

501
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000
The light is right.

502
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000
Right.

503
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,000
And you see as the light moves, you see that dark spot moving.

504
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:45,000
That's the ship controlling.

505
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,000
Now, that ship is not on that hill.

506
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,000
That ship is a long way from that hill.

507
00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,000
Because it was all close to that hill where that banana plantation is.

508
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,000
I got a good picture.

509
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:55,000
And this is sunset.

510
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:56,000
Beautiful color clouds.

511
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000
I didn't see the smell coming in.

512
00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:01,000
But when it developed there, it was moving through there.

513
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,000
Let's see what we're going to see next.

514
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,000
Oh, here it comes.

515
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,000
This is one from the top right there.

516
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:08,000
The top from that corner there.

517
00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000
Right hand corner.

518
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000
Do they follow a flight pattern or the erratic or what?

519
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:16,000
They're erratic in some cases, but mostly they follow a pretty good pattern.

520
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:17,000
This is the night scene, isn't it?

521
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,000
That's right.

522
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,000
This is the night scene.

523
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000
That's the one traveling here.

524
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000
That's correct.

525
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,000
That's the night scene they caught in the night.

526
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,000
They were much bigger, but that's what it turned out to be.

527
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:27,000
Is there noise?

528
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:28,000
Is there anything like that?

529
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,000
No, I have never heard any noise when I've close to them.

530
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:33,000
At the time of Midekantik, the only kind of a noise I was aware of,

531
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,000
just like swarming bees moving from place to place.

532
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,000
That's the only kind of noise I've heard from them.

533
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000
There's one hovering more.

534
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,000
I went behind that tree.

535
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,000
What is that?

536
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000
This one appears right there.

537
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000
You see?

538
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:47,000
And it'll fade away.

539
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,000
Oh, yes.

540
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,000
People call materialization immaterialization.

541
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,000
There's no dematerialization.

542
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:56,000
It just goes back so fast that finally it vanishes out of your sight.

543
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,000
That's a good picture.

544
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,000
They're watching a train go away from you on the railroad track.

545
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,000
That's the same thing.

546
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,000
Smaller, smaller, and finally...

547
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:03,000
You see it no more.

548
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:04,000
Now here's a good picture.

549
00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:05,000
Night picture.

550
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,000
There's two formation going there beyond those trees.

551
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:09,000
And there'll be another one following.

552
00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,000
I see the top of the picture.

553
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
That's the best one I got so far, I think.

554
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,000
That's excellent.

555
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000
It certainly is.

556
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,000
Here we see it again.

557
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:16,000
And there's another one here.

558
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,000
Now hovering there and going...

559
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,000
This one is daytime again.

560
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:22,000
This is the start of the evening.

561
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,000
That's what I'm going to say.

562
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
It looks like late afternoon or something.

563
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
Late afternoon and evening.

564
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Good breezes blowing then.

565
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,000
Already.

566
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,000
Do you ever have a premonition you're going to see something like that?

567
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:34,000
Yeah.

568
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,000
You know, like if sometimes I'm walking and all of a sudden you turn around and they

569
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,000
feel like somebody's watching me or someone's following me.

570
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000
And you turn around and...

571
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,000
When I get those feelings, I follow them out.

572
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,000
Sometimes it's a mistake, but I still execute them because it might be something there.

573
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,000
We all play a hunch now and then.

574
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,000
Well, that's what really it is.

575
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,000
Most people know it by hunch.

576
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:58,000
You have a feeling that something's going to be said or something's going to be done.

577
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000
And you open that feeling in a lot of times.

578
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,000
You miss most of the time.

579
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,000
You're all right.

580
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:08,000
Mr. Adafsky, you know, history records and turn back to the days of the Romans and Greeks

581
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:12,000
experiences of what the things it could be called flying saucers.

582
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,000
Do you believe that flying saucers have been coming into our atmosphere that long ago?

583
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:19,000
Oh, yes, because I can show you there are about 340 cases in the Bible.

584
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:23,000
Take Zekechap there and all right.

585
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:29,000
Elijah taking up an fiery chair, the burning bush, the cloud which Moses was talking to

586
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,000
God in the cloud in front of the temple while other people were watching.

587
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,000
The people are still in the cloud that he didn't talk to.

588
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
There's many cases up there.

589
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,000
Of course, they didn't name him the same name.

590
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,000
And incidentally, this name of flying saucers was given to him.

591
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,000
If you remember, when Canada was asked how it goes, he said,

592
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,000
well, when you throw a plate on the water, it slicks that way.

593
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,000
It's like a flying saucer, like a saucer bouncing up a water.

594
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:54,000
And that's where they got their name, but that's not the true name.

595
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:56,000
Do you think we're going to see more sightings?

596
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:57,000
I think so.

597
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,000
We're going to keep on seeing him for quite some time.

598
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000
And I think this is not over.

599
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,000
So long as our earth initiative then there is a book out on geophysical here that's been put out recently,

600
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:11,000
pocket edition, that tells you just what ship has already taken place, what has taken place in this world.

601
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:14,000
And so that's when I say scientific position on that part.

602
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
That's what it is.

603
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:21,000
They're adlerving our change because any change of our planet naturally makes a change of the total system.

604
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,000
Includes them.

605
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
How many books have you written on this now?

606
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000
Two. I'm writing the third one now.

607
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000
I don't know what you're going to be probably.

608
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
What are the titles of your first two books?

609
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,000
Well, Flying Saucer, I've landed with Desmond Leslie who we wrote that.

610
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000
And then Inside the Spaceships, which I wrote myself all together.

611
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,000
All my experience.

612
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,000
Now I'm writing another one.

613
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,000
That won't probably be until next spring sometime.

614
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,000
Well, be sure and let us know because I'm sure after your appearance here tonight, Mr. Damsky,

615
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,000
our audience is going to be very interested in reading your new book as well as the two that you have already written.

616
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:49,000
Oh, thank you, Mr. Damsky.

617
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,000
Well, I thank you for your kindness and coming.

618
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:57,000
Carol, we certainly turned it over to Mr. Damsky tonight and may I thank you for your help in arranging for his appearance here.

619
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:58,000
That's your very welcome.

620
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,000
We're very glad to do it.

621
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:04,000
And I want to assure you, you're both most welcome to come back on this show at any time and we've appreciated both you and the film.

622
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:05,000
Well, thank you, Mr. Ries.

623
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:06,000
Once again.

624
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,000
Thank you so much.

625
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:08,000
Thank you.

626
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:17,000
And the next one is, of course, one of the world's best known authorities on unidentified flying objects and flying saucers and written to very fine books on it.

627
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,000
Books that are well illustrated with some outstanding photographs.

628
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,000
So if you want to pursue this further, I recommend Mr. Damsky's books to you.

629
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:29,000
There are some of the most interesting reading that you can run into on this particular subject.